Roses Type 4 – 5

Rose Type 4a/3 Mule

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This features the 4a obverse with the double rose type 3 reverse. Reads CAROLVS DG MAG BRI. Privy mark=crescent/mullet. Illustrated E.180/P.325. 1638-9. (C) gvf                      

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Rose Type 4b/3 Mule

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Combining 4b obverse with the type 3 reverse. Reads CAROLV DG MA BRI. Privy mark crescent/mullet. Illustrated E.181/P.326. 1638-9 (ER) gvf                        

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Rose Type 4a

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This is the simpler design with single arched crowns both sides, a single rose, but still retaining the longer legends. Privy marks can be – lis/lis, mullet/mullet, mullet/crescent, crescent/mullet, and crescent/crescent. This last having a variety with the N of FRAN reversed., and others with distinctly rounded obverse crowns. Illustrated  E.186d/p.328. pm=crescent/crescent. (rounded obverse crown).  […]

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Rose Type 4a/4b Mule

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Obverse of 4a reading CAROLVS, but 4b reverse reading FRA and HI instead of FRAN and HIB. Two versions recorded – one with pm=lis/crescent, the other crescent/crescent. Illustrated E.187/P.337. pm=lis/crescent. 1639-43. (ER) vf                      

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Rose Type 4b/4a Mules

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This pairing reverts back to a 4a reverse (FRAN-HIB) linked to a 4b obverse (CAROLV – MA) Privy marks found are crescent/lis, crescent/none and crescent/crescent. Only the latter is common, the others being excessively rare. Illustrated E.193/P.330. crescent/crescent. (C) choice gvf                  

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Rose Type 4 Irregular

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Some type 4 pieces occur with irregular legends. These can be – CAROLV MAG, MA OR M on the obverse. Also known are FRA HIB and FR HI on the reverse. All bear the crescent/crescent privy mark, except for one with mullet/mullet. All are very rare to exceptionally rare pieces. Illustrated  E.199/P.-.pm=mullet/mullet. Reads DG M […]

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Rose Type 4b

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All now read CAROLV DG MA BRI – FRA ET HI REX. Privy marks are – mullet/mullet, crescent/mullet, mullet/crescent, and the EXR crescent/none. The final pairing – crescent/crescent – is by far the most numerous, and probably accounts for 80% of all Roses found today. Inevitably with such a long production run several striking errors […]

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Rose Type 5a

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This final series differs from all others in that the sceptres are crossed beneath the obv.crown. Type 5a having bosses on the sceptre handles. Privy mark is  mullet/mullet. The legend reads – CAROLV D:G MAG BR and FRA ET HIB REX. Illustrated E.208a/P.348. 1643-44. (S) gvf/vf                  

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Rose Type 5b

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Very similar to 5a with crossed sceptres below the crown – but now the handles are plain. Several combinations of legend occur, using – MAG  BR, MA BRI or MA BR. on the obverse – twinned with FRA HIB, FRA HI or FR HIB on the reverse. Pm=mullet/mullet. One issue has an inverted A for […]

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